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| - | * How to operate | ||
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| - | ====== Ledacraft PS-12 305mm Sliding Panel Table Saw ====== | + | ====== Kiln ====== |
| - | | Aliases | "the table saw", "PS12" | | + | | Aliases | "Pottery Kiln" "large kiln" |<WRAP> |
| - | | Other References |<WRAP> | + | |
| //[[https://snipe.hsbne.org/|Asset Register]]// | //[[https://snipe.hsbne.org/|Asset Register]]// | ||
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| //[[https://portal.hsbne.org/|Portal]]// | //[[https://portal.hsbne.org/|Portal]]// | ||
| - | [[https://forum.hsbne.org/search?q=table%20saw|Forum Posts]] | + | [[https://forum.hsbne.org/search?q=kiln|Forum Posts]] |
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| - | | Official Maintainer | Joshua Hogendorn | | + | | Official Maintainer | Eris Ryan | |
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| ===== Current Status ===== | ===== Current Status ===== | ||
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| - | === Usable === | ||
| - | The scribing blade mechanism has been removed for servicing. | + | <WRAP danger half round> |
| + | === Maintenance === | ||
| - | Joshua 13/08/20 | + | Machine is undergoing upgrades and can't be used. |
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| ===== Usage ===== | ===== Usage ===== | ||
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| - | **This machine <wrap hi>requires induction</wrap>.** | + | <WRAP half round info > |
| + | **This machine <wrap hi>requires induction unless you are having an inducted person fire it for you</wrap>.** | ||
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| - | {{:tools:woodshop:tablesaw-inductionflow.png?nolink|}} | ||
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| + | {{:tools:craftpunk:kiln-inductionflow.png?400|}} | ||
| - | Induction process is completion of online courses and a 15min in person physical evaluation. | ||
| - | - [[https://canvas.instructure.com/enroll/T64LHC|ENROLL in the Metal Detection Course]]. 100% required pass. | ||
| - | - [[https://canvas.instructure.com/enroll/JBBT9E|ENROLL in the Understanding Kickback Course]]. 100% required pass. | ||
| - | - [[https://canvas.instructure.com/enroll/E66TJ7|ENROLL in the Table Saw Induction]]. 100% required pass. | ||
| - | - [[https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/table-saw-induction-assessment-tickets-116973391563|BOOK a time ]] to complete your in person assessment of competency \\ Nominated supervisors: | ||
| - | * Joshua Hogendorn | ||
| - | * Ale More | ||
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| + | Induction process is doing the theory courses then being shown how to pack and program the machine at HSBNE by the responsible person. | ||
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| + | - Kiln basics that apply to all kiln use at HSBNE. Training and assessment online. ADD LINK | ||
| + | - Specific training course for the large pottery kiln. Training and assessment online. ADD LINK | ||
| + | - Being shown on the kiln how to pack and use the kiln, where the kiln shelves are kept and how to tidy up afterwards. Contact responsible person to set a time. | ||
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| + | ==== Guidelines ==== | ||
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| + | This kiln is to be used for pottery or approved (eg PLA, wax) large casting "burnouts" ONLY. Under no circumstances is it to have steel or any metal added to it (except aluminum trays to catch "burnouts" up to 400°C). It is NOT a heat treating oven. | ||
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| + | Under no circumstances are you to leave the space while the kiln is running without another inducted person agreeing to take over for you and stay. | ||
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| + | Under no circumstances is the kiln to be used with a "heating profile" that is not approved by the responsible person. Do not add new profiles without prior approval. | ||
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| + | Unless it's an emergency, the kiln is not to be switched off above 600°C as it needs time to cool slowly above that temperature (this is in the "heating profile"). Heating/cooling too fast will not only damage the bricks inside the kiln walls, it may ruin your/other people's craft work within. | ||
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| + | Do not store flammable materials near the kiln such as wood, gas bottles and lubricating grease. | ||
| ==== Recommended PPE ==== | ==== Recommended PPE ==== | ||
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| - | | Recommended | {{:resources:ppe-wearearprotection.gif?nolink&100|}} | The saw is loud, we recommend hearing protection. | | + | | Recommended | {{:resources:ppe-wearhandprotection.gif?100&nolink}} | We recommend heat gloves. | |
| - | | Recommended | {{:resources:ppe-weargoggle.gif?nolink&100|}} | Please wear goggles or a face shield | | + | | Recommended | {{:resources:ppe-weargoggle.gif?100&nolink}} | Please wear goggles or a face shield when mixing casting powders | |
| - | | Recommended | {{:resources:ppe-wearrespirator.gif?nolink&100|}} | We recommend the use of a respirator | | + | | Recommended | {{:resources:ppe-wearrespirator.gif?100&nolink}} | We recommend the use of a respirator when mixing casting powders | |
| - | | Recommended | {{:resources:ppe-useadjustableguard.gif?nolink&100|}} | Use all available guards | | + | |
| - | | Recommended | {{:resources:ppe-keepdoorclosed.gif?nolink&100|}} | Please keep the shop door closed when using the table saw to limit kickback projectile scope | | + | |
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| - | | Required | {{:resources:ppe-removejewelryandwatches.gif?nolink&150|}} | Remove all jewelry and watches | | + | | Required | {{:resources:ppe-wearenclosedshoes.gif?200&nolink}} | Enclosed shoes are required, no open sandals, thongs etc | |
| - | | Required | {{:resources:ppe-wearenclosedshoes.gif?nolink&150|}} | Enclosed shoes are required, no open sandals, thongs etc | | + | | Maintenance | {{:resources:ppe-disconnect.gif?200&nolink}} | Disconnect power to the kiln before performing maintenance, including opening lid. | |
| - | | Required | {{:resources:ppe-useextraction.gif?nolink&150|}} | Dust extraction must be used at all times during operation | | + | | | | | |
| - | | Warning | {{:resources:ppe-wearhandprotection.gif?nolink&150|}} | Gloves are PPE against your material (splinters, resin etc) but are hazardous around the saw. Please carefully evaluate your use of gloves | | + | |
| - | | Maintenance | {{:resources:ppe-disconnect.gif?nolink&150|}} | Disconnect power to the saw before performing maintenance, including blade changes | | + | |
| </WRAP> | </WRAP> | ||
| <WRAP clearall></WRAP> | <WRAP clearall></WRAP> | ||
| ===== Machine Specifications ===== | ===== Machine Specifications ===== | ||
| - | ^ Name ^ Value ^ | + | |
| - | | Nominal Blade Size | 305mm | | + | ^ Name ^ Value ^ |
| - | | Max Blade Size | 315mm | | + | | Max Temperature | 1250°C | |
| - | | Dimensions of sliding table | 1600 mm x 270 mm | | + | | Internal Size | 600mmLx900mmWx450mmD | |
| - | | Diameter of scoring saw blade | 90 mm | | + | | Power Use | 19kW continuous (depends on use) 3 Phase 240VAC | |
| - | | Saw blade assembly tilting | 0º to 45º | | + | |
| - | | Maximum depth of cut @ 90º | 100 mm | | + | |
| - | | Maximum depth of cut @ 45º | 80 mm | | + | |
| - | | Motor driving both saw blades (single phase) | 3.0 hp | | + | |
| - | | Maximum width of cut on rip fence | 1250 mm | | + | |
| ===== Documents ===== | ===== Documents ===== | ||
| - | <WRAP center round download 40% left> | + | As this modified machine is from 1982 and no longer manufactured no manual is available. |
| - | {{ :tools:woodshop:ps-12_manual.pdf | Manual }} | + | General controls for large kilns and the "picoReflow" Github can be used however. |
| - | </WRAP> | + | https://apollo.open-resource.org/mission:resources:picoreflow |
| + | https://github.com/HSBNE/picoReflow | ||
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| ===== Manufacturer ===== | ===== Manufacturer ===== | ||
| - | === Ledacraft === | ||
| - | * E sales@ledamachinery.com.au | + | === Manufacturer === |
| - | * P 08 7127 7730 | + | |
| - | * [[https://www.ledamachinery.com.au/leda_product/ps-12-1600mm-sliding-table-panel-saw/]] | + | |
| - | === Reseller === | + | * E info@tetlow.com.au |
| + | * P +61 (0)3 8545 8296 | ||
| + | * http://www.tetlowkilns.com.au | ||
| - | * Lance Dargusch | + | === Reseller/Maintenance === |
| - | * Darcy Glister Agencies | + | |
| - | * E lance@ledamachinery.com.au | + | * Walker Ceramics |
| - | * M 0408 765 922 | + | * http://shop.walkerceramics.com.au/Kilns-_and_-Accessories/1770-ELEMENT-WIRE/pl.php |
| + | * E orders@walkerceramics.com.au | ||
| + | * Tel: 1800 692 529 | ||
| === Known Identical Models === | === Known Identical Models === | ||
| - | * [[https://www.carbatec.com.au/machinery-and-accessories/tablesaws-and-accessories/tablesaws/ts-p1600p]] | + | * http://www.tetlowkilns.com.au/kiln-furnace/Kilns-Furnaces/Large-Electric-Craft-and-Pottery-Kilns/KilnID/%7B2BBA666A-A536-416B-898C-8118BA38EF62%7D/ |
| - | * [[https://www.machineryhouse.com.au/W700]] | + | |
| ===== Known Issues ===== | ===== Known Issues ===== | ||
| - | ^ Date ^ Description ^ Workaround ^ Proposed Remediation | | + | ^ Date ^ Description ^ Workaround ^ Proposed Remediation ^ |
| - | | - | Blade change pin bending over time | Still works until it breaks | Lathe replacement from tool steel | | + | | | | | | |
| - | | - | Blade plate is slowly deforming | Still works | Manufacturer replacement or cnc replacement | | + | | 03/10/2020 | Element wearing out | keep kiln below 1200°C until elements replaced - approved by vote 15/09/2020 | Eris to replace elements Electrician to approve | |
| - | | - | Sliding fence has slop at main pivot being loose in extrusion | Saw has to be manually tuned with 5 cut method for high accuracy cuts. | Machine uhmw spacer to reduce slop | | + | |
| - | | - | Blade guard damaged by reseller demonstration, design deemed unsafe due to catching material. | Blade guard removed | New guard to be CAD and laser cut | | + | |
| - | | - | Slide is not smooth operating | - | - | | + | |
| - | | - | Sliding fence angle gauge stickers worn off | Measure angle manually with other tools | Replacements CAD and laser cut/etched in <1mm stainless steel | | + | |
| - | | - | Arbour thread is not clean and hard to manage | - | - | | + | |
| - | | - | Rise and fall lock never worked | lever removed | - | | + | |
| - | | - | Scribing blade bearing is totally seized, stopping the saw operating | Part is currently removed | needs new bearing or total manufacturer part replacement | | + | |
| - | | - | People treat the handles that secure the sliding table to the machine as adjustable points when trying to operate the machine. This results in the sliding table becoming uncalibrated. | none | Replace handles with bolts | | + | |
| ===== Modifications / Repair History ===== | ===== Modifications / Repair History ===== | ||
| - | ^ Date ^ Modified By ^ Description ^ Remediation ^ Cost ^ | + | ^ Date ^ Modified By ^ Description ^ Remediation ^ Cost ^ |
| - | | - | Joshua H | Rise/fall and angle handles fell apart | machined some adapters and used a surpus handle from the A331 | <$5 | | + | | 01/01/2018 | Eris | Kiln dried, cleaned, patched, rewired with SSR and extra safety devices | in series are lid switch, second controller to limit temp to 1250°C, 24vdc plugpack | ~$200 | |
| - | | - | Joshua H | Ratcheting handles that secure the sliding table extension broke | replaced by better ones from ebay | ~$40 | | + | | 03/10/2020 | Eris | Waited for kiln to dry and be tested electrically and test fired Relined 3/10/20 | testfired to 200°C 06/10/2020 8MΩ to ground. | | |
| - | | - | Joshua H | Angle indication on front inaccurate | shimmed with washers to be accurate | - | | + | in series are lid switch, second controller to limit temp to 1250°C, 24vdc plugpack. | Approved by vote ~$200 | |
| - | | - | Joshua H | Screw for changing scribing blade height was inappropriate and crashing with table surface, and wearing due to flathead design. | Replaced with appropriate grub screw | <$5 | | + | |
| - | | - | Joshua H | 90º fence stop for sliding table fence deemed unusable | replacement mechanism designed in CAD, machined by members and installed. | - | | + | |
| - | | - | Craig Hudson | Riving knife always higher than blade, stopping joinery cuts. | Riving knife modified to allow for correct height for joinery | - | | + | |
| - | | - | Joshua H | Sliding table fence scale hard to make accurate | Stop at end of sliding table fence replaced with wooden block tuned to make the scale on fence accurate | - | | + | |
| - | | - | Joshua H | Sliding table fence angle lock bolt stretched and worn by overtightening | replaced by parts from jig kit | - | | + | |
| - | | - | Joshua H | Sliding table clamp post unhardened and raising burrs | part hardened by forge cause | - | | + | |
| - | | - | Joshua H & Ian Redmond | Rise and fall gear/worm totally worn and failed. | Replacement parts ordered but incorrect due to machine revision. Fix found by rotating gear 180º to unworn section | ~$150 | | + | |
| ===== Accessories ===== | ===== Accessories ===== | ||
| - | ^ Image ^ Category ^ Accessory Name & Notes ^ Location ^ Buy from ^ | + | ^ Image ^ Category ^ Accessory Name & Notes ^ Location ^ Buy from ^ |
| - | | | Sled | **Mitre Fence for sliding table** \\ The mitre fence that fits the sliding table | Bottom drawer of accessories cabinet | | | + | | {{:tools:craftpunk:kilnfurniturekit.jpg?400|PLACEHOLDER Image, 100 width}} | Furniture / Shelves | Kiln shelves, kiln posts, kiln tubes. Used to separate pottery during firing | Inside kiln or in hardstand container "A" | https://www.potterysuppliesonline.com.au/48/101/electric-kilns/electric-kilns/kiln-furniture.html?limit=12&start=12 | |
| - | |{{:tools:woodshop:mitre_fence_for_main_table.jpg?100|}}| Sled | **Mitre Fence for main table** \\ The mitre fence that fits the main table | Bottom drawer of accessories cabinet | | | + | |
| - | | | Material Handling | **Sheet Clamp** \\ This is used with sheet goods to clamp them against the sliding table fence, ie an extra set of hands | Bottom drawer of accessories cabinet | | | + | |
| - | |{{:tools:woodshop:featherboard.jpg?100|}}| Material Handling | **Featherboards** \\ Extra hands to help you keep material constrained | Fourth drawer of accessories cabinet | | | + | |
| - | |{{:tools:woodshop:push_sticks.jpg?100|}}| Safety | **Push Sticks** \\ Many types and sizes and shapes, use these to get distance from the blade | Top drawer of accessories cabinet | [[https://www.carbatec.com.au/push-stick-large|Carbatec]] | | + | |
| - | |{{:tools:woodshop:blade_change_spanners.jpg?100|}}| Maintenance | **Blade Change Spanners** \\ 1 Arbour pin, 3 Spanners, for main blade, scribing blade, riving knife. Not to be removed from workshop | Second drawer of accessories cabinet | | | + | |
| - | |{{:tools:woodshop:engineers_square.jpg?100|}}| Measuring | **Engineers Square** \\ To check for 90º | Third Drawer of accessories cabinet | | | + | |
| - | |{{:tools:woodshop:depth_gauge.jpg?100|}}| Measuring | **Depth Gauge** \\ For precision height setting | Third Drawer of accessories cabinet | | | + | |
| - | |{{:tools:woodshop:digital_protractor.jpg?100|}}| Measuring | **Digital Protractor** \\ Precision angle setting | Third Drawer of accessories cabinet | | | + | |
| - | |{{:tools:woodshop:dial_gauge_and_arm.jpg?100|}}| Measuring | **Dial Gauge & Arm** \\ For micro adjustments to fences, alignments, and general maintenance | Third Drawer of accessories cabinet | | | + | |
| - | | | Safety | **Fence Offset** \\ Allows the user to create a safety zone past the blade | Fourth drawer of accessories cabinet | | | + | |
| - | | | Safety | **Sacrificial Fence** \\ Required when operating the blade within 10cm of fence. Also has specific clamps for use with it. | Fourth drawer of accessories cabinet | | | + | |
| ===== Consumables & Running Costs ===== | ===== Consumables & Running Costs ===== | ||
| + | ^ Image ^ Category ^ Accessory Name & Notes ^ Location ^ Buy from ^ | ||
| + | | You can't see electrons. | Billed to HSBNE | Power meter records power used, note difference before and after firing. Please donate this multiplied by $0.25 per kWhr | The power meter is located at the bottom of the control panel. | Energex, AGL, Zeus. | | ||
| + | | tools:craftpunk:nichrome_wire_roll.jpg | Long term maintenance | Every few years of heavy use will need ~$2000 worth of wire to be replaced. 1.8mmx180 metres 16mm diameter coils 9ohm per phase | http://shop.walkerceramics.com.au/Kilns-_and_-Accessories/1770-ELEMENT-WIRE/pl.php | Walker ceramics, Alibaba. | | ||
| - | ^ Image ^ Category ^ Accessory Name & Notes ^ Location ^ Buy from ^ | ||
| - | |{{:tools:woodshop:general.png?150|}}| Blades | **General Purpose Blade** \\ 305mm ATB 40T 10º | Sawblade Holder | | | ||
| - | |{{:tools:woodshop:joinery.png?150|}}| Blades | **Joinery Blade** \\ 305mm FTG 40T 10º | Sawblade Holder | [[https://ridgecarbidetool.com/|Rigid Carbide]] Special Order | | ||
| - | |{{:tools:woodshop:rip.png?150|}}| Blades | **Rip Blade** \\ 305mm ATB 24T 15º | Sawblade Holder | | | ||
| - | |{{:tools:woodshop:crosscut.png?150|}}| Blades | **Crosscut Blade** \\ 305mm ATB 60T 10º | Sawblade Holder | | | ||
| - | |{{:tools:woodshop:aluminium.png?150|}}| Blades | **Aluminium & Plastics Blade** \\ 305mm TCG 80T 0º | Sawblade Holder | | | ||
| - | | | Blades | **Scribing Blade** \\ //--mm Conical 60T 10º// | Sawblade Holder | | | ||
| ===== Maintenance ===== | ===== Maintenance ===== | ||
| - | ^ Interval ^ Task ^ | + | ^ Interval ^ Task ^ |
| - | | Quarterly | Assess and send blades for sharpening | | + | | Annual | Check element resistance is not higher than 9 Ohms per phase, patch up cracks with kiln cement/fire putty, clear furniture and vacuum out kiln of debris. | |
| - | | Monthly | Assess sliding table height and angle relative to main table and blade. Nominal 0.05-0.1mm proud of main table, parallel to blade. | | + | |
| ===== RACI ===== | ===== RACI ===== | ||
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| + | PLACEHOLDER A RACI is an important documentation process to let people know what ACTIONS can happen, and who needs to be Responsible, Accountable, Consulted and Informed for each ACTION. Delete this line. | ||
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| - | ^ Task / Action ^ Executive ^ Cause Leader \\ Cause Team ^ Named Maintainer ^ Trainers ^ Cause ^ Membership ^ Implementer ^ | + | ^ Task / Action ^ Executive ^ Cause Leader \\ Cause Team ^ Named Maintainer ^ Trainers ^ Cause ^ Membership ^ Implementer ^ |
| - | | Modification and Repairs | - | AC | C | I | I | I | R | | + | | Modification and Repairs | - | AC | C | I | I | I | R | |
| - | | Induction changes | C | RACI | RC | I | I | I | R | | + | | Induction changes | C | RACI | RC | I | I | I | R | |
| </WRAP> | </WRAP> | ||
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| ===== Risk Matrix and Mitigation ===== | ===== Risk Matrix and Mitigation ===== | ||
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| + | PLACEHOLDER: Risk assessment is important to ensure we are making tools available to members in a responsible fashion. Please make every effort to do a reasonable risk assessment. If there is a safety incident with the tool, please redo a risk assessment and add it to the table. | ||
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| - | ^ Ref / ID ^ Pre-Mitigation |||^ Mitigations / Warnings / Remedies ^ Post Mitigation |||^ | + | ^ Ref / ID ^ Pre-Mitigation |||^ Mitigations / Warnings / Remedies ^ Post Mitigation |||| |
| - | ^ ::: ^ Risk ^ Risk Severity ^ Risk Likelyhood ^ Risk Level ^ ::: ^ Risk Severity ^ Risk Likelyhood ^ Risk Level ^ Acceptable to Proceed ^ | + | | ::: ^ Risk ^ Risk Severity ^ Risk Likelyhood ^ Risk Level | ::: ^ Risk Severity ^ Risk Likelyhood ^ Risk Level ^ Acceptable to Proceed ^ |
| - | | 0001 | Amputation from improper usage | Intolerable | Probable | 11 | Induction to train users in correct usage \\ Provision of push devices \\ Safety accessories | Low | Improbable | 1 | | + | | 0001 | DEATH / Shock | Intolerable | possible | 9 | Induction to train users in correct usage, lid interlock | Low | Improbable | 1 | Yes | |
| - | | 0002 | Damage to machine from incorrect setup | Undesirable | Probable | 9 | Induction to train users in correct usage \\ Rule of 10 \\ Sacrificial Fence \\ Replaceable high risk parts | Low | Improbable | 1 | | + | | | Severe Burns | Intolerable | Probable | 11 | Induction to train in correct usage, Signage when firing for others, kiln gloves | Low | Improbable | 1 | Yes | |
| + | | | Switchboard Trip | Low/Nusance | possible | 3 | Induction training on 3 phase plugs, not touching kiln breaker settings | Low | unlikley | 1 | Yes | | ||
| </WRAP> | </WRAP> | ||
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| ===== Decision Register ===== | ===== Decision Register ===== | ||
| - | ^ Ref / ID ^ Decision Details ^ Impact ^ Proposed Date ^ Proposed By ^ Status ^ Approved By ^ Date ^ Resulting Actions and Comments ^ | + | PLACEHOLDER: A decision register is for general documentation when some decision is made regarding the tool. To change its location, mode of operation, to buy an accessory, to replace something, to change how it operates etc. Delete this line. |
| - | | 0000 | Example decision | Provides an example | 08/08/20 | JH | Approved | JH | 08/08/20 | A line was put in the register | | + | |
| + | ^ Ref / ID ^ Decision Details ^ Impact ^ Proposed Date ^ Proposed By ^ Status ^ Approved By ^ Date ^ Resulting Actions and Comments ^ | ||
| + | | 0000 | Maintenance/Upgrade | safety, allows automation, remote monitoring. | 15/09/20 | ER | Approved | Vote | 15/09/2020 | ~$2,000 budget for nichrome wire, fireclay patch job and PicoReflow upgrade. | | ||
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